The oracle speaks |
Warren Buffett and Charles Munger warn of real estate 'bubble,' the risk of terrorist nukes. |
OMAHA (CNN/Money) - It was below freezing here early Saturday morning, with frost silvering the golf courses and rolling lawns of the city where Warren Buffett's Berkshire Hathaway Inc. is headquartered. But the atmosphere was warm inside the Qwest Center arena, where roughly 20,000 shareholders gathered from around the world to hear Buffett and his vice chairman, Charles Munger, answer questions for nearly six hours. Not a single individual shareholder asked whether Berkshire might be implicated in the widening scandal about alleged earnings manipulations at American International Group – and even the money managers in the audience whose questions touched on the subject approached it gingerly. (Buffett announced at the outset that, at the request of the investigators who are exploring the AIG case, he could not discuss what he or other Berkshire executives might have revealed about AIG to the authorities.) Buffett's shareholders are true believers; to them, the idea that he could have done (or known about) anything wrong is absurd. In his answers to shareholders' questions, Buffett made it clear that he remains concerned about the trade deficit and the U.S. dollar, although he is bullish on the long-term strength of the U.S. economy. But he and Munger issued stern new warnings about the residential real estate "bubble," the destabilizing effect of hedge funds on the financial markets, and the possibility of another terrorist strike against the United States. They also warned that they do not see a clear future for pharmaceutical stocks, that GM and Ford face severe trouble over pension and health costs, that hedge funds could wreak havoc in a market decline, and that the New York Stock Exchange is doing a disservice to investors by going public. On real estate Buffett: "A lot of the psychological well being of the American public comes from how well they've done with their house over the years. If indeed there's been a bubble, and it's pricked at some point, the net effect on Berkshire might well be positive [because the company's financial strength would allow it to buy real-estate-related businesses at bargain prices].... "Certainly at the high end of the real estate market in some areas, you've seen extraordinary movement.... People go crazy in economics periodically, in all kinds of ways. Residential housing has different behavioral characteristics, simply because people live there. But when you get prices increasing faster than the underlying costs, sometimes there can be pretty serious consequences." Munger: "You have a real asset-price bubble in places like parts of California and the suburbs of Washington, D.C." Buffett: "I recently sold a house in Laguna for $3.5 million. It was on about 2,000 square feet of land, maybe a twentieth of an acre, and the house might cost about $500,000 if you wanted to replace it. So the land sold for something like $60 million an acre." Munger: "I know someone who lives next door to what you would actually call a fairly modest house that just sold for $17 million. There are some very extreme housing price bubbles going on." Buffett: "That really is the $64,000 question. It seems to me that a $618 billion trade deficit, rich as we are, strong as this country is, well, something will have to happen that will change that. Most economists will still say some kind of soft landing is possible. I don't know what a soft landing is exactly, in how the numbers come down softly from levels like these.... "There are more people [like hedge-fund managers] that go to bed at night with a hair trigger than ever before, it's an electronic herd, they can give vent to decisions that move billions and billions of dollars with the click of a key. We will have some exogenous event, we will have that. There will be some kind of stampede by that herd.... "When you have far greater sums than ever before, in one asset class after another, that are held by people who operate on a hair-trigger mechanism, then they lend themselves to more explosive outcomes. People with very short time horizons with huge sums of money, they can all try to head for the exits at the same time. The only way you can leave your seat in burning financial markets is to find someone else to take your seat, and that is not always easy...." Munger: "The present era has no comparable referent in the past history of capitalism. We have a higher percentage of the intelligentsia engaged in buying and selling pieces of paper and promoting trading activity than in any past era. A lot of what I see now reminds me of Sodom and Gomorrah. You get activity feeding on itself, envy and imitation. It has happened in the past that there came bad consequences." Buffett: "I have no idea on timing. It's far easier to tell what will happen than when it will happen. I would say that what is going on in terms of trade policy is going to have very important consequences." Munger: "A great civilization will bear a lot of abuse, but there are dangers in the current situation that threaten anyone who swings for the fences." Buffett to Munger: "What do you think the end will be?" Munger: "Bad." Buffett: "We're like an incredibly rich family that owns so much land they can't travel to the ends of their domain. And they sit on the front porch and consume a little bit of everything that comes in, all the riches of the land, and they consume roughly 6 percent more than they produce. And they pay for it by selling off land at the edge of the landholdings that can't see. They trade away a little piece every day or take out a mortgage on a piece. "That scenario couldn't end well. And we, also, keep consuming more than we produce. It can go on a long time. The world has demonstrated a diminishing enthusiasm for dollars in the last few years as they get flooded with them – every day there's $2 billion more going out than in. I have a hard time thinking of any outcome from this that involves an appreciating dollar. [But, Buffett later added, he is not predicting an end to U.S. economic power.] "If you have a good business in this country that's earning dollars, you'll still do okay. Twenty years from now, a couple percentage points of GDP may go to servicing the deficit, but you'll do fine.... I don't think trade deficits will pull down the whole place; the country will survive those dislocations. I'm not pessimistic about the U.S. at all.... We have over 80 percent of our money tied to the dollar. It's not like we've left the country." Buffett: My job is to think absolutely in terms of the worst case and to know enough about what's going on in both [Berkshire's] investments and operations that I don't lose sleep. Everything that can happen will happen.... It's Berkshire job to be prepared absolutely for the very worst. A few years ago we did not have NBCs [nuclear, biological and chemical attacks] excluded from our exposure, but we do now.... "If you go to lastbestchance.org, you can obtain a tape, free, that the Nuclear Threat Initiative has sponsored, that has a dramatization that is fictional but is not fanciful. We would regard ourselves as vulnerable to extinction as a company if we did not have nuclear, biological and chemical risks excluded from our policies. There could be events happening that could make it impossible for our checks to clear the next day." Buffett: "If the [stock] market gets cheaper, we will have many more opportunities to do something intelligent with money. We are going to be buying things [like stocks and other financial assets] for as long as I live, just as I'm going to be buying groceries for the rest of my life. Would I rather have grocery prices go up or down? "The stock market works the same way: If I'm a net buyer, obviously I would rather have prices go down than up. Charlie and I spend no time talking about what the stock market is going to do, because we don't know. We're not operating on basis of a market forecast. We don't make a list of the good things that are happening, or bad things. "Overall, I'm an enormous bull on the country. This is the most remarkable success story in the history of the world. It does not make sense to bet against America. I do not get pessimistic about the country. The real worry is what can be done by terrorists or governments that may have access to nuclear or other weapons.... "If you had to make a choice between long-term bonds at around 4.5 percent and equities for the next 20 years, I would certainly prefer equities. But if people think they can earn more than 6-7 percent a year, they're making a big mistake. I don't think we're in bubble-type valuations in equities -- or anywhere close to bargain valuations. "If you told me I had to go away for 20 years, I would rather take an index fund over long-term bonds. You'll get a chance to do something extremely intelligent with your money in the next few years. But right now there doesn't seem to be a clear enough direction to conclude anything dramatic." Buffett: "[GM boss] Rick Wagoner and [Ford chairman] Bill Ford have both been handed, by past managers, extremely difficult hands to play. They're not the consequences of their own doing, but they have inherited a legacy cost structure, with contracts put in place decades ago, that make it very difficult for them to be competitive in today's world. "Just imagine if they'd been made to sign contracts that made them pay several more tons per steel than their competitors have to, people would feel that's untenable. [GM and Ford] have to pay contracts that give them immense obligations for health-care and retirement annuities at high cost. Their competitors can buy steel and other commodities no cheaper, but the competitors don't have nearly the same level of costs for these [health-care and retirement expenses]. "Someone once asked Bill Buckley what he would do if he actually won his race for New York mayor back and the 1960s and he said, 'First thing I'd do is ask for a recount.' Well, that's what I'd do at GM. You've got a $90 billion pension fund, $20 billion set aside for health-care liabilities, and the whole equity value of the company is $14 billion. That's not sustainable.... Something will have to give." Munger: "Warren gave a very optimistic prognosis. Some people seem to think there's no trouble just because it hasn't happened yet. If you jump out the window at the 42nd floor and you're still doing fine as you pass the 27th floor, that doesn't mean you don't have a serious problem. I would want to address the problem right now. They'd better face it." Buffett: "I personally think it would be better if the NYSE remained as a neutral, not-for-big-profit institution. The exchange has done a very good job over the centuries. It's one of the most important institutions in the world. The enemy of investment is activity.... I know the American investor will not be better off if volume doubles on the NYSE, and I know the NYSE will be trying to figure out how to do that if it is trying to maximize its own earnings per share. GM or IBM will not earn more money if their stock turns over more actively, but a for-profit NYSE will." Munger: "I think we have lost our way when people like the [board of] governors and the CEO of the NYSE fail to realize they have a duty to the rest of us to act as exemplars. You do not want your first-grade school teacher to be fornicating on the floor or drinking alcohol in the closet and, similarly, you do not want your stock exchange to be setting the wrong moral example." Buffett: "That industry is in a state of flux right now. It's historically earned very good returns on invested capital, but it could well be that the world will unfold differently in the future than in the past. I'm not sure I can give you a good answer on that." Munger: "We just throw some decisions into the 'too hard' file and go onto others." |
Forget Coke. Forget McDonalds. And you can even forget the queen of talk Oprah Winfrey. That's because when it comes right down to it the best brand in the business belongs to Warren Buffett, that grandfatherly billionaire from Omaha, Nebraska.
That's true now more than ever up on Wall Street, where the investing classes hang on his every word these days as they continue to come to grips with the dangers of a sub prime contagion that was never contained.
Of course, to the set of value investors that have been following Warren Buffet's investment principles for years, all of this renewed attention probably comes as no surprise at all. There is a reason after all that he's called the Oracle of Omaha.
But with the mortgage related mess now threatening to take the markets even lower, and investors of every stripe looking for a savior, Warren Buffett's billions, and his stellar reputation, may be just the answer that the markets are looking for.
And while Saint Warren certainly isn't going to save the market from all of its excesses, (not even he has that much money) he may just be able to bailout the only portion of the bond insurance market that is worth saving. That alone would be likely be enough to bring the markets back from the current abyss.
Warren Buffett to the Rescue
In fact, just two days ago the mighty weight of the Buffett Brand was on full display, when he called Becky Quick and the gang on Squawk Box for a little chat. The Dow futures, by the way were solidly in the red at the time.
It was during this chat that Buffett revealed that the his company had approached the three largest bond insurers last week - Ambac Financial Group Inc. (NYSE:ABK), MBIA Inc.(NYSE:MBI) and FGIC Corp.--offering to reinsure about $800 billion in municipal bonds in order to allow them to maintain their triple "AAA" ratings.
Of course, at the very moment he uttered those words the futures staged a big comeback going green to the tune of 72 points in an instant.
That green tide, not surprisingly, carried on into the day's trade as the markets rallied on mere hope of a Buffett solution, even though it was nothing more than a proposal. And in fact, one of the three troubled insurers had already turned him down, which wasn't surprising considering that he was basically asking them to fall on their swords.
Nonetheless, investors were warm to the idea of a Buffett solution, hopeful that it could alleviate one of the major market fears that have weighed heavily on the financial markets. "This would just eliminate one major cloud from the market," said Buffett on the call, and the Street agreed.
It was, in short, just part of what might be the master stroke in a legendary career spent buying things on the cheap.
In fact, when it is all said and done, it wouldn't surprise me one bit if Buffett's newly found bond insurer is practically the only one left standing-that's how downtrodden the bond insurer have become and how decisively Buffet has acted.
Warren Buffet's Six Investment Principles
So how does he do it, buying companies and investing on the cheap?
Well in short, he keeps it as simple as possible and he's incredibly patient, moving only when the markets are so far in his favor that he can hardly lose. And of numerous books have been written about him, a few of his many tenets for successful investing stand out.
These are a few of them; investment questions that when answered properly have helped Buffet cement his reputation as the best in the business.
They are:
- Has the company's performance been consistently good?-Buffett's tool in this regard is return on equity or ROE. Return on equity is a company's net income divided by shareholders equity (book value). Buffett uses ROE as a measure of company has consistently performed over time vs. its peers. A good ROE in this regard would be a 5 yr. average between 15-17 percent.
- Does the company carry too much debt compared to its peers? ---The measure of debt Buffett uses in evaluation is the debt/equity ratio. Buffett, in general, frowns upon companies with high levels of debt. Instead he prefers that earnings growth is generated by shareholder equity as opposed to borrowed funds. In this case, the higher the ratio, the more debt that a company carries. And while this figure varies from industry to industry, a good way to measure it would be by looking for a ratio that is less than 80% of the industry average.
- Are profit margins high compared to its peers? Are they increasing?-Buffett looks for companies with above average profit margins. It's calculated by dividing the net income by the net sales. Companies with a strong history in this regard over an extended period of 5-10 years typically outperform. An above average performer will typically carry profit margins that are 20% above the industry average. Moreover, those same profit margins will tend to rise as the company becomes more efficient over time.
- How long has the company been public? -In general, Buffett typically only considers companies that have been around for at least 10 years. That gives them the historical track record to make a proper evaluation of the company's future prospects.
- Are the company's products vulnerable to "commodity pricing"?-Buffett is a strong believer in the economic moat. Therefore, if the company doesn't offer anything that is unique or substantially different from its competitors he's generally not interested.
- And finally, is the company cheap on a valuation level? This is the part of the Buffett magic that is hard to quantify because it deals with a company's intrinsic value. That's the value that goes beyond its liquidation value and includes all the many intangibles that are hard to put a figure on, such as the worth of a brand name. In general, Buffet will want to purchase a company that is available at a 25% discount to its intrinsic value.
These, of course, are just a few of the many ways that Warren Buffet has built up his massive portfolio over the years. That's because to a large extent, Buffet never buys stocks, he buys companies.
The difference between these two styles has not only made him wealthy, but has also made him the best brand on the market today.
When he speaks, the markets follow.